Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. and the .32 Win. Mag. And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. necked up to .35 caliber. First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Opening up a boltface on a standard action is NOT a difficult job for a decent gunsmith and does not affect the strength or viability of the action one WHIT. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. I rely on, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. Out of stock View Details . The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Either of the other two cartridges mentioned will work just fine also. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. The .358 Win. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. Campfire 'Bwana. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. Spl. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. Then come the .270s. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Im voting no. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. The .358 Win. You know the kind with the locking bolt. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. I see no reason to shy away from it. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. I have one, and I like it a lot. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. The .358 Norma Mag. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. The cartridge would be championed by Denys Finch Hatton (of Out of Africa fame), John Pondoro Taylor and Pete Pearson, and would be used by Baron Bror von Blixen-Fineke as well. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Rifle Recoil Table. It is capable of driving a. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. Mag. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium.